What is holding that roof up? Magic? Because those curved poles sure aren't. What's with all of these projects slapping solar power on the roofs and then calling it sustainable? The energy used by bus stops isn't a big issue, but the choice and quantity of materials is. Solar panels are like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound.
Posted Sep 04, 2009 7:09 PM by Ausdruck
Would you like a full structural engineers report? The energy used by bus stops may not be a big issue, but every little helps... I wouldn't call it a bullet wound either... more like a bruise from a BB gun...
Posted Sep 04, 2009 7:09 PM by scottay88
So the energy crisis isn't a problem? And no, I don't need a structural engineers report, but it would be nice to think you actually know what gravity does to things that are up in the air. Way to really answer the criticism!
Posted Sep 06, 2009 12:09 AM by Ausdruck
This is a very interesting attempt, I particularly like the lights which are protruding through the canopy...however I still prefer the hand drawn fallen vase of flowers....
Posted Sep 07, 2009 3:09 PM by simwoo
ausdruck's rage is a mischanneled truth. this design shows a despairing lack of structural insight. for those poles to hold up that roof, they would have to be embedded in foundations unjustifiably deep for a simple bus stop. the fact that you haven't shown the joints between glazing panels, or any sense of real materiality, shows a real sense of superficiality.
Posted Sep 07, 2009 8:09 PM by kavbar
Kavbar, I agree with everything you've written, except the mis-channeled part. You did a good job of elaborating on some of the issue. The structural elements would also need to be sized much larger, sacrificing the overall look, in order to support a roof. I do tend to rant a bit though, and not really get to the point.
Posted Sep 08, 2009 2:09 AM by Ausdruck
I feel this is an interesting concept piece and highlights a theme of a 'bus-route' displayed within the structure. I also disagree about some of the structural critics out there, you only have to look as far as some of Calatrava's work such as the 'Palace of the Arts' in Valencia to witness similar concepts of canter-levered engineering, or as you call it....'magic'.
Posted Sep 08, 2009 12:09 PM by Frank Lloyd Wrong
feels like counter at a 7 11 store
Posted Sep 08, 2009 2:09 PM by Ethan
looks like a lovely place to sit, quite sheltered and spacious...plenty of room for mums with strollers to shelter too
Posted Sep 09, 2009 1:09 PM by annawoo
great concept and idea, a worthy winner.
Posted Sep 09, 2009 1:09 PM by dotttt1
Posted Sep 10, 2009 11:09 AM by scottay88
@Frank Lloyd Wrong - You are wrong. If you look at any of Calatrava's work you can plainly trace the structural loads through the buildings. This building, as shown, does not offer enough structure to support the roof. It would be really nice to see a design that actually has some sort of viable structure, but this doesn't.
Posted Sep 11, 2009 3:09 PM by Ausdruck
@ Ausdruck, please see "solar radiator" by simwoo. it is a worthy bus stop with consideration given to a long overhanging roof, which looks impossible but isnt because it depletes to a point and therefore the load depletes...its quite clever really from a subtle point of view
Posted Sep 14, 2009 9:09 AM by annawoo
@ annawoo - I would have to disagree somewhat with your observation of that other design. Both this design and that one offer zero stability for dynamic loads, like wind. I do agree that the other design would likely stand up, but I believe it would have a very tough time in any substantial wind. This project on the other hand has a substantial butterfly roof that rests on glass and has no real support for 90% of its span.
Posted Sep 14, 2009 2:09 PM by Ausdruck
@ ausdruck, I realise now that you are the type of person that assesses the structure of a chair before you sit yo fat ass on it...
Posted Sep 15, 2009 8:09 AM by annawoo
@annawoo - I realize that you are the type of person that can't carry on a civilized discussion of the merits of these designs. Good design actually has to work. It's important. Maybe you should save your childish comments for somewhere other than this particular forum. It's those types of comments that seriously degrade the quality of this venue. Thanks again for showing exactly who you are.
Posted Sep 15, 2009 6:09 PM by Ausdruck
oh dear ausdruck, you really are taking this a bit too seriously, I can't help but think that overbearing structural paranoia gets seriously in the way of good design, nothing ever changes if we only stick to what we know...your concerns are valid in the real world, but this is a competition where imaginative design is encouraged, perhaps you have a lack of imagination....I am sorry for you....
Posted Sep 17, 2009 8:09 AM by annawoo
Santiago Calatrava, Eladio Dieste, Jean Nouvel, Zaha Hadid, Rem Koolhaas, Wolf Prix, Herzog & de Meuron, and the thousands of other talented and innovative designers in this world would agree that design has to work, and structure is part of that. An understanding of structure is critical to architectural design. I suppose everyone that has ever had anything built lacks imagination by your standard.
Posted Sep 17, 2009 4:09 PM by Ausdruck
Reference all the names you like, but that isn't going to remain standing the real world, no matter how much you want it to.
Posted Sep 25, 2009 3:09 PM by o_seanan
do you guys know how to party or what. i don't see any place to buy a hamburger in this bus stop. that is what this bus stop is? a small mcdonalds? or maybe a small seating area in which to consume my mcdonalds purchases. if so, i don't see any trash cans. this will quickly turn into a homeless shelter without trash cans.
Posted Sep 25, 2009 3:09 PM by devilsdance
im going to take a shot in the dark, and say you are from the us of a. can i order extra irony with my burger.
Posted Sep 29, 2009 10:09 AM by scottay88
This design offers a comfortable and safe retreat for all passengers awaiting the arrival of the bus. the structure is very eye catching and boasts a large bright yellow main support which stretches from the rear ground floor, up and over the shelter, until it passes through the front of the shelter into sight. The bus stop is fully sheltered and includes a bike park at the rear so that returning passengers can secure their bike in place and pick it up on their return journey. It also includes a display which informs the passengers how long they are expected to wait until the arrival of the next bus and the designated bus route is printed on the wall. Lights are provided to illuminate the front of the shelter so that it doesn’t become dark at night and ensures the bus stop stays safe and comfortable at all hours of the day and night. The shelter is powered by a solar panel which is situated on the roof of the shelter so that no mains electricity is needed to power it. All aboard…